A reader writes in to let me know that former Governor Tom Ridge’s name has been removed from the agenda for a John McCain rally scheduled in Washington, PA this Saturday.
What does this mean? Is Ridge in or out? On or off the short list? Tune in next week – same bat time, same bat channel – to find out.



Ads here touting Ridge appearance
I just heard a radio ad yesterday touting the special guest appearance by Tom Ridge at the Washington, Pa event.
pd
McCain picked a woman as
McCain picked a woman as VP. Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. An attempted to secure upset Hilary voters?
Insanity at its best
McFraud must think the American people are a nation of idiots. His opinion of women must be equally idiotic. Does he actually believe a transparent move like this will deceive women? The women I know are intelligent and logical thinking individuals. They are not mindless robots that make critical decisions like this based on emotions.
This is a gigantic miscalculation on McSilly’s part. To treat a general election so trivial as this shows he is so completely out of touch; not just with the issues that affect the American public, but also with reality.
Palin has a BA in journalism, while McFailure barely graduated from Annapolis. Think about it, if something were to happen to McSenile while in office SHE would then become president. Someone, who by her own admission, knows very little about the war in Iraq. You have got to be kidding me. This does not make any sense at all. It is soooo stupid.
He proves his lack of critical thinking prowess by picking someone with so little achedemic credentials. He obviously takes the election of President of the United States very, very lightly.
I am saddened and dismayed that McFraud thinks this election is of no consequence to the American people that he can select a person of unknown quantity, and parade her as a viable choice for Vice President. It is just plain ol ridiculous, simply ridiculous…
Copy that!
It’s sheer stupidity! From a purely strategic viewpoint, it dilutes what might be McCain’s only quantifiable advantage over Obama; his years of experience. Her five kids and her guns and her (IMHO) faux-maverick cred ain’t gonna do us much good when Putin or Bin Laden come calling…
Or, is that exactly the plan with both of these boobs? Is this just another case of the “proxy President?” Get someone in there who is clueless…and just let the party higher-ups and the corporate lobbyists and the SCOTUS make all the decisions?
I spoke with a woman today who used to vote Republican, and she was shaking her head, too….thinking it was “the craziest thing she’d ever heard of.”
Pilt
Look Down Below
You might want to scroll down and read my ‘The Scenario’. It fits very nicely into what you and I are already thinking.
Outside of being women,
Outside of being women, Hilary Clinton and Sarah Palin have very little in common. This will ultimately prove whether or not voters actually listen to message, or if they are merely concern with race, religion, gender, etc.
Palin Veep
What a joke. This lady claims to be a Pro-life supporter, she is a member of Femenists for Life, and yet she is a staunch supporter of capital punishment. Another hypocrite who knows what lives should be spared and which should ended. Hilary Clinton she ain’t.
Did Ferraro help Mondale?
The woman VP candidate was done 24 years ago, no news there.
pd
Palin's scandals
Josh Marshall has the scoop on the troubles Palin is already involved in.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/211310.php
pd
Amazingly, I heard
Amazingly, I heard commentators on tv claiming Palin has more experience than Biden based on her 19 months as Alaska’s Chief Executive. Equally shocking, they failed to mention her terrible abuse of executive.
To Educate You...
...on the difference between being a Senator and a Governor:
1. Senators vote “yes”, “no”, or (in Obama’s case) “present”. The only time one votes “present”, is when they are either uneducated enough to do so or (also in Obama’s case) don’t want to leave a paper trail. Why would Obama not want to leave a paper trail? Well, that way, no one can question his judgment, beyond what they already have with his affiliations.
2. Governors oversee state budgets, while performing all of the executive duties that are equivalent to that of the President, except on a smaller level.
3. Therefore, it can be said that she has more executive experience than any of the other candidates.
You mean like being
You mean like being Governor of the great state of Texas?
I had a sense.....
...That McCain might do this, mostly as an attempt to lard his campaign with pro-life cred and take a backhanded slap at Hillary.
What went through my mind after I thought about it was; Palin is no great reformer or maverick. She just looked for a niche that she thought would help her get elected and that particular “brand space” seemed available. Call me cynical, but her desire to clean up Alaskan politics rings hollow. I mean, how arrogant to settle on a person who, even before the election, already has ethics questions dogging her? Or, perhaps, that was the attraction?
Piltdown Man
ps: I heard a brief bit about how Palin “hid” her recent pregnancy because she knew the child would be born with Down Syndrome? How weird is that? If she is such a potent figure and a devout right-to-lifer, wouldn’t she be screaming it to the hills?
Palin's child
Pilt, I wonder how much gov’t aid, in the form of SSID or special education money, will she be getting for her child. Since she’s running on the Bush “on your own” economic policy, she should ask for 0 gov’t assistance, don’t you think?
pd
Absolutely.
Call me the worst sort of person, but I don’t find her actions laudable at all. I find them narcissistic and cruel.
Pilt
Cruel Narcissism
Pilt –
Actually, if we’re going to travel down this route, the Palins learned their son Trig would be born with Downs late last year. Instead of concealing Governor Palin’s pregnancy (as you claim), the couple created a website for families of Downs children to contribute their thoughts or comments. Thousands of thoughts, prayers, and advice from Downs families were posted on that message board. There was absolutely no “cover-up” and to suggest otherwise is, to use your words, “narcissistic and cruel”.
Almost 90% of unborn Downs children are aborted. The Palins decided to let their child live, even though he would be viewed as “imperfect” by the jaded eyes of some. If we’re talking about narcissism, the twisted cynicism of “natural selection” is nothing but.
If this is the best line of attack the “blogosphere” can devise against Sarah Palin (i.e., going after her children, her hairstyle – that was on another blog, not here, her voice), I fear you’re in for a rude awakening in November.
By the way Pilt, aren’t you the same person who labeled the Santorums “sick” for choosing to spend one last night with their infant son who had passed away?
Yes. And I still believe it.
Is wasn’t so much the matter of spending “one more night” with the child, it was the bringing it home and making the Santorum children kiss the dead baby that I thought was totally reprehensible. The Santorum’s can do as they please of course, but when the start to impose that sort of behavior on very young children, it smacks of abuse to me….
As regards Palin, the rumor (and I admit it’s just that right now…though stay-tuned) is that Madame Governor never really “showed” at all during that pregnancy and that, just maybe, the child is not hers, but her daughters…
You can look it up.
Of course, weirder yet, is that this woman doesn’t believe in ANY form of birth control. What century is she living in?
Pilt
Sad...Really, Really Sad...
Well, I know when I’m looking to personally smear a mother of five, her teenage daughter and her Down’s infant, I always hang my hat on a completely unsourced blog posting from the Daily Kos. Excellent work, Pilt – you’ve done a fantastic service for intelligent political discourse.
Oh, rumor has it you like to play dress-up with lady’s evening gowns – although “I admit it’s just that right now…though stay tuned”.
Sarah Palin must’ve really thrown a scare into you, my friend.
Personal attacks
Just a reminder to refrain from personal attacks on other posters. Thanks.
pd
Save It, Pd
Pd –
No attacks here – I was simply sharing “what I heard”.
If Pilt gets to take his gloves off (in attacking a mother and her infant, for God’s sake), don’t be surprised when somebody responds in kind. I don’t mind getting a tad bit personal if that’s how some of you are going to play it.
Stay tuned.
Period.
Update on Palin
According to the latest reports and campaign statements, Trig, who suffers from Down’s Syndrome, is Sara Palin’s child. It should be noted that Down’s Syndrome is more prevalent in children who are born to mothers over the age of 35 (iirc). However, Palin’s 17 year old daughter is pregnant, but plans to keep the child and marry the father (no age given). While it is to Miss Palin’s credit that she plans to keep the child and marry the father, those circumstances will not make the marriage easy for either parent.
pd
I’m certainly not taking
I’m certainly not taking any sides on this argument. Only here to say its time to back down and get back on track. Get back in your corner, get a stitch in that cut and come back out swinging, but keep it clean.
JP
Too much anger
I have never seen so much animosity and useless anger aimed at anyone in my life. It seems like a cross between desperation and panic, because within only the past 5 days, there have been at least 4 attacks on Governor Sarah Palin and her family — all in vain. It is sickening. Could it all be the result of subliminal sexism — or even worse — jealousy?
To read some of the vicious items that some of you have written on this forum, you would think that this is a no-holds-barred gossip column, with many of you not even caring about whether you are telling the truth or who you hurt by it all. On this blog site, Daily Kos and others, liberals are overstepping their boundaries.
As far as hypocrisy, it works both ways. You can try to tear apart Palin’s conservative values all you want, but will not be successful. You, the bloggers and the ultra-liberal media do not hesitate to stoop to name-calling, insinuations and just plain garbage about her and her family, but what about Barack Obama’s statement that his children are off limits to the media? Well, then all of you and the media should not be attacking Sarah Palin’s children, either! But — that’s right — there goes the old double standard. Pitiful.
If that isn’t enough, what does the liberal blog community do, the minute that Sarah Palin is tapped as McCain’s VP? They spread all-out blatant lies about her. If they don’t feel they have enough on her, every biased media outlet proceeds to send reporters to Alaska, who are told to stay there for 10 days, so they can dig up dirt on Sarah Palin. What a bunch of scavengers!
All of the issues everyone is reporting now about Palin, we’ve already heard two months ago. The lawsuit, her little Down’s Syndrome child — that news is not the most recent. And now, her 17-yr. old daughter is being ripped apart with unbridled vindictiveness. Does anyone have a conscience? Do they really care about the truth, as well as the statement put out by Governor Palin today?
Reporters like Andrea Mitchell ought to be demoted for spreading the false rumour that Sarah’s son, Trig, is her daughter Bristol’s child! What on earth…? Mitchell discovers this from a the most NON-credible source — a blog, of all things!
When I was in college for Journalism (BA), I was always advised never to get my information from the internet, because it isn’t verified as being credible information. There are no ethics involved anymore, that is, if they know what the word means. Reporters from ABC, MSNBC, CBS, etc. seem like they receive most of their false information from blogs, now!
Those voting for Obama, do so, but you need to research the facts before you state anything about Sarah Palin or her family. This mean-spirited garbage has got to stop.
It is the hypocrisy, Gent
What I think a lot of people are reacting too is the hypocrisy of an evangelical Christian who feels very comfortable telling other people what to do in their bedroom having a 17-year-old pregnant daughter. When you act all high and mighty, don’t be surprised when people take pleasure in watching you fall.
Different religions have different views on when life begins. The decision whether to carry a fetus to term should be a woman’s decision, with input from her partner (if he is on the scene) and her clergy (if she choses to consult with clergy).
Shouldn’t every child be a wanted child?
~ blackrobe
Addressing What Should Be Unaddressable
First and foremost, while I recognize mudslinging and personal attacks are (unfortunately) a part of political “discourse”, I am being very honest when I say I have seen very few episodes that rise to the level of the pure bile that some liberal blogs (not so much here on KP – DailyKos and some like-minded wannabees stand out here) have spewed about the Palin family over the past few days. Some of the completely unfounded rumors and innuendos concerning Governor Palin’s infant son, coupled with spiteful comments about everything ranging from Sarah Palin’s hairstyle to her accent would even make the Swiftboaters cringe. Fortunately, the only blogger on KP who has peddled such slime so far has been Pilt. Hopefully the rest of the anti-Palin crowd will stick to taking issue with her record and policies, not trashing her family.
Secondly, it turns out the Palin’s 17 year-old daughter is pregnant, has decided to keep her child, and plans on marrying the father. I’m sure the Kos crowd will use this news as some sort of vindication for their totally irresponsible fanning of the rumor mill last weekend. The shame of it is that these “citizen journalists” didn’t even get their smears close to the end zone on this one. First (as “reported” by Pilt), Governor Palin was supposedly ashamed of her Downs child, so she hid her pregnancy. Then, the keyboard jockeys claimed that Bristol (the oldest daughter) actually gave birth to Trig, who Governor Palin then passed off as her own. Now, Bristol Palin actually is pregnant and plans on having her child. If the Kos crowd had no qualms about ripping apart a developmentally-challenged infant, I’m sure they can’t wait tear into a pregnant teenager.
Thirdly, I’d like to address Blackrobe’s point. I’m not sure what the “bedroom” argument that you put forth is meant to address? Personally, I don’t care what goes behind closed doors between consenting adults. If you are inferring that because Governor Palin takes socially conservative positions, the fact that her daughter is pregnant somehow makes the pregnancy a political issue? If we’re going to travel this route, I believe the fact that Bristol is having her child is a testament to her sharing her mother’s values. If Bristol aborted the child, your “hypocrisy” thesis made hold some weight. However, that isn’t the case here.
Also, I’m not sure you’ve had the pleasure of watching anyone fall here, Blackrobe. Has Governor Palin somehow “fallen” due to her daughter’s pregancy? Has Bristol Palin “fallen” because she’s expecting a child in a few months? The only people who have “fallen” here are the slime merchants who will attempt to drag this family down to their level over the course of this campaign. I’m not sure those individuals could possibly get any lower, but it’ll be truly horrifying watching them try.
I'll take my lumps....
No question that my fingers got ahead of my brain in this issue. For that, I am sorry.
However, don’t for a moment consider me a “citizen journalist.” I never claimed that and likely never will. Kos and other bloggers who do this for a living can answer for themselves.
Yet, I find the Palin decision by McCain bizarre. And I find Ms. Palin’s acceptance of it odd. There will be much howling about how his daughter’s pregnancy should be kept out of the media…but we all know that’s impossible. For my part, I wonder just how “Christian” it is for Mom to, for her own reasons, to place her daughter in a position in which her life will be turned into a sideshow? The moment her mother accepted Senator McCain’s offer, her life changed forever.
Finally, back to the rumors. And I’ll speak for myself here. You have to understand the depth of anger, resentment and bitterness which the Bush-Cheney administration has engendered. Their eight year romp over the Constitution has left me feeling like a wounded animal…and perhaps it’s that which drove my comments about Palin.
Appreciate It, Pilt
Pilt –
I was glad to read your comments this morning. I never took you for just another “slime merchant” who does their business on the “blogosphere”. I’m not sure I buy the “Bush made me do it” explanation, but I believe you’re sincere in your regret and look forward to squaring off against you (on the merits of the candidates!) as the campaign continues to unfold.
Thank you for re-establishing my faith in blogging.
The Gentleman From Pennsylvania
It's the irony
You have to admit it is ironic that a party (yours) that continually insists on abstinence in stead of honest discussion about sex with teenagers now has nominated a VP candidate with a daughter who essentially discredited that entire theory. Personally I feel sorry for the girl. She is going into what appears to be a hastily arranged marriage and will have to accept responsibility as a wife, and mother at a very young age. Both she and the father have set down a rough path for themselves.
I will also say that many members of your party often look down on poor or minority women who become pregnant and have children out of wedlock. Your party looks for ways to deny them benefits and make them “work” to receive whatever meager benefits are available. Your party continually wants to cut aid to dependent families and food stamps. I wonder if you feel these policies are appropriate for Miss Palin and her child, too.
pd
Answers, pd...
Three quick points, pd:
1) As for the abstinence issue, read my response to Blackrobe below.
2) “Arranged marriage”? Are we in India? I personally know several couples who faced situations extremely similar to Bristol Palin’s (child at a young age, marriage, etc.). Those couples remain happily married and their families are intact. Was it necessarily easy from them? Not at all, but their love for each other and their children provided the strength to survive through the tough times. They may not live “comfortably”, as defined by some, but they feel they have everything they need and are happy. Who, in their right mind, would take issue with that?
3) Yes, some Republicans do indeed look down upon unmarried women who give birth out of wedlock. Privately, so do a lot of Democrats that I know. As I said to Blackrobe, ignorance doesn’t know a party. I don’t agree with those Republicans who would cut food stamps and some other forms of aid to young mothers. Bristol Palin is lucky to have a lot of support behind her. Many young women faced with the same situation unfortunately don’t have the same type of network behind them. It takes much more than federal, state, and local government programs to raise a child, but it makes the process a little easier. I personally believe “pro-life” should mean “whole-life”. The support and care for poor young women and their children shouldn’t end at birth. That doesn’t mean a free ride, but it means government should stand beside those women in a time of need.
Gent – You’re
Gent – You’re beginning to show your more Liberal side of your Conservative views. Good man.
JP
The father
I think statistics show that marriages starting under the circumstances of Miss Palin and Mr Johnston are less likely to last, but that is the path they are on and they have to deal with the consequences of their actions. I know couples who went down the same road, too. Most are still married, but some not very happily.
BTW, the father describes himself as a “redneck” who “doesn’t want children”.
He didn’t strike me as the kind of boy I’d want my daughter to marry.
pd
Sources
May I ask what your source of this information was?
Here ya go
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/levi-john…
Johnston’s self-description is from his Myspace.com page.
pd
Again, it is the hypocrisy
Yes, the fact that Palin’s daughter is pregnant is a political issue because Palin has chosen to make her evangelical Christian views a political issue. Her daughter obviously engaged in premarital sex. That does not seem to square with evangelical teachings, does it? It is willful ignorance on your part not to see that as hypocrisy.
It is possible to be a deeply religious person without feeling the need to impose your religious views on everyone else. My problem with people like Palin is that they try to make their religious views the law of the land. If she can’t even get her own daughter to keep her pants zipped before marriage, what authority does she have to impose her religious-based views on abortion, same-sex marriage, etc. on all Americans?
~ blackrobe
Its time for KP’s big
Its time for KP’s big guns to cool off.
Hypocrisy Explored
Blackrobe –
Since you’re hell-bent on making Bristol Palin a political issue, let’s have at it.You seem intent on imparting the sins of the daughter onto the mother, in an effort to gain nothing more than political advantage. Sad, yet somehow predictable. So let’s play this situation out. First, we have no clue what Bristol’s personal values are. While her mother may believe in abstinence, Bristol may not. Governor Palin’s political opponents will endlessly point to her daughter’s pregnancy as evidence of hypocrisy, but that only holds water if Bristol shares her mother’s values and beliefs. We simply don’t know if that’s the case. In addition, we don’t know what the circumstances of the pregnancy were. Without going into detail, we simply don’t know if Bristol and her boyfriend’s contraception failed, or if they used any, and in any event, I’m not sure it really matters. I’m guessing Governor Palin wasn’t thrilled when she learned of her daughter’s pregnancy, but the Palins accepted what they probably viewed as their daughter’s mistake in engaging in pre-marital sex and are offering Bristol nothing but love and support. While they may not approve of Bristol’s behavior, the Palins accept Bristol as she is (and will welcome her child with open arms), which is the essence of being a Christian.
Blackrobe, you obviously see a political payday in all of this, but I’m afraid you’re greatly mistaken. To generalize a bit, people are imperfect. Nobody realizes this more than (dare I say it) Christians. Yes, some Christians are extremely judgmental. However, I’ve come across quite a few secular liberals who would give those Christians a run for their money in that department. Ignorance doesn’t recognize parties or religious affiliation. In my opinion, a true Christian “hates the sin, yet loves the sinner”. Just because Bristol Palin went against her mother’s value system shouldn’t mean Governor Palin loses the right to advocate for what she views as the “ideal”, which she believes is abstinence. A quick sidenote here: many who believe in abstinence don’t have their heads in the clouds concerning teenage sex. Kids are intrigued by sex. Most of us were growing up. Everybody realizes this. Does that mean we should do everything in our power to push them down the premarital sex road? Personally, my philosophy is “Don’t do it, but if you are going to do it, use effective contraception and accept the consequences of your choices”. For all we know, that is exactly what Governor Palin told her daughter. You shouldn’t be so quick in throwing around the “hypocrisy” label when you have no clue as to precisely what the Palins told their children about sex. The bottom line is that Bristol Palin and her soon-to-be husband made a choice and are living up to the responsibilities of that choice and the entire Palin family will offer their unconditional love and support. Period.
No matter
The whole Bristol Palin issue is a moot point. That said, McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden; we are screwed. There is not a person running that has the true integrity to do what is right. Both sides have a whole lotta cash from lobbyists and big corporations in their pockets. If anyone in the middle and lower classes expects to see some sort of personal gain from any of this, well-keep on dreamin’. This country and every politician is for sale to the hightest bidder. So put away your bibles and your affortable healthcare pipedreams, and remember- the almighty dollar trumps all.
Finally, some clear
Finally, some clear thinking.
If you are going to talk the talk, walk the walk
Gent,
So, what you are suggesting is that Gov. Palin is advocating for abstinence-only sex education while at the same time not instilling that “value” in her own family members.
I am truly disgusted with evangelical politicians trying to impose their sense of morality on the entire nation (and world). Their abortion position fails to take into account that different religions have differing views on when life begins (a point I made in an earlier post but you notably failed to acknowledge).
I am tired of evangelicals treating women as walking wombs. Do women stop being autonomous beings once they become pregnant? It is incredibly cruel to require a woman who has been the victim of rape or incest to carry to term. What is the sense of bringing unwanted children into this already overpopulated world?
-blackrobe
Walking the Walk
Oh my…let’s take these one at a time…
1) You apparently completely missed my point, Blackrobe. Again, nobody knows what was said around the Palin family table concerning sex and relationships. Gov. Palin may well have pushed abstinence in her children, which Bristol apparently didn’t heed. Should Gov. Palin be faulted for this? Let’s bring the conversation to a more personal level. My parents tried to instill their values, experiences, and beliefs in me growing up, and I wish I had heeded them more earlier in my life than I did. They tried their best, just like the Palins probably tried their best. Did my parents (or yours) lose their right to their values and beliefs when I (or you) went off track? Does Governor Palin lose hers? I don’t think so.
2) Let’s take religion completely out of the abortion equation. What does science (a religion in itself, some may argue) tell us about life? Thirty years ago, hardcore feminists and the “choice” lobby argued that an unborn child was a thoughtless, numb clump of cells. It turns out the worst enemy of the “pro-choice” camp hasn’t been “pro-life” activists, but science itself. Through ultrasound and other techniques, we now know unborn children do feel pain and have instincts for survival, and many survive premature births at earlier and earlier stages. We now know an each unborn child has a unique genetic code at conception. We now know a vast majority of abortions in America aren’t performed for medical or “health” reasons, but are purely elective. You seem eager for a debate on when life begins, Blackrobe, but if you examine the discoveries of the last thirty or so years, I’m not sure much of a debate is still possible.
3) “What is the sense of bringing unwanted children into this already overpopulated world?”
I suppose my question in response would be this: who is the arbiter of who lives and who dies? Who sits at the controls of life? Is it you, Blackrobe? Do you feel comfortable in determining what percentage of humanity suits your personal comfort level? “No, 10% growth is too much – it should be more like 7%.” If you view the killing of unborn children as nothing more than population control, aren’t you taking a very important role upon yourself? If so, millions upon millions of children would like to question you about your method of reasoning.
4) The rape and/or incest issue is consistently raised by the “pro-choice” side as evidence of cruelty and ignorance of those on the “pro-life’ side, and the issue hasn’t always been handled effectively by the pro-life camp, quite honestly. I can’t imagine the horror of living through such an ordeal, then learning you’re carrying your attacker’s child. On one hand, you have a consistent reminder of the absolute hell you’ve gone through if you keep the child; however, if the victim chooses to abort the child, it could be argued that the attacker claimed two victims of circumstance instead of one. Every woman faced with those circumstances should have all the emotional and financial support possible. As tough and draining as it would be, I would encourage her to give her unborn child a chance at life by placing it up for adoption. For many women, the scars of abortion run just as deep as carrying a child to term under those extremely difficult circumstances.
Arbiters?
Apparently it’s Palin and her fellow republicans. Pro-life, yet pro-capital punishment. They are the self-appointed arbiters. Let us not forget, the right-wing conservatives prefer to make rules for “others” to follow. They themselves have their own set of rules of which they follow. The conservative agenda is to become the ruling class.
Contrary to what you believe...
Sarah and her husband, Todd Palin, only make rules for their children to follow. However, as unfortunate as it may seem, children do not always follow those rules. Sometimes, they are reckless and do not understand that there are consequences for their actions. However, those who scrutinize Governor Sarah Palin and her family for how they are handling this situation, have no business doing so, because they are ironically the same individuals who render any criticism of Obama as being hands-off! Another double-standard? It seems so!
Stop the madness.
Not the family, the policies
I doubt any of my fellow liberal posters care that Bristol Palin got herself pregnant at 17 and now she and the father are going to have to get married.
(BTW, it sure doesn’t strike me as if the parents were planning on getting married until the story came out and forced the issue.) We don’t care what rules her parents laid down for her or if she followed them.
It’s not about her or her parents.
It’s about how this entire episode is at complete odds with the policies and principles the GOP espouses for the country. It shows what a complete joke “abstinence education” is for example. It shows that when it comes to themselves, there is plenty of “compassion”, but for everyone else, well, none.
pd
Its time for the Right-Side
Its time for the Right-Side to stick with their sacred “core values” and put the girl on display in the townsquare…with head and arms in stocks.
Animosity...
Somehow, it seems your bitterness lies in 17-yr. old Bristol deciding not to abort the child, so you and all of the other liberals could have your derogatory “heyday” with that one, using it to persecute Sarah Palin more than you already have. Sadly, you just couldn’t want that more than you do right now, could you?
The left is showing their true colors:
Attacking Palin from all sides, neglecting to determine fact from fantasy.
To preach against sexism and claim to be for diversity, but when a woman is nominated for VP on the conservative side, all of the sexist remarks come out of the woodwork.
Ex: How can she handle all of the duties of VP, when she has a special needs child at home, as well as 4 other children; one being a pregnant 17-yr. old?
Question: Would this question have been asked to a man?
Answer: Nope.
Yo, troll
Is this the latest GOP talking point? Poor Sarah Palin, all those mean, nasty people questioning her fitness to be one heartbeat away from the presidency.
Guess what? If she couldn’t take the heat, she should have stayed out of the kitchen.
pd
Perhaps, Sarah Palin can
Perhaps, Sarah Palin can take the heat and is determined to stay in the kitchen. I’m just a little baffled why McCain passed over very talented candidates in his party to select someone neither he or anyone else in his party are really familiar with….........................except Ted Stevens.
Dancing around the issues
I will respond to your arguments as they have been presented:
1) The pregnancy of Palin’s daughter is relevant because Palin, as an evangelical politician, insists that her moral views should be the law of the United States. Because she has chosen to make her morality a public issue, she has opened herself and her family up to public scrutiny. As the saying goes, he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
2) Funny how you want to completely avoid the role of religion in the abortion issue. Religion is at the heart of the abortion question. All the medical advancements in the world will not make a fetus that has not gestated to the point of developing a functioning brain, spinal cord and lungs be able to live outside the womb. The question then is, when is a fetus a person. As I said, different religions (and different sects within religions) have differing views on that question. So tell me why the evangelical Christian view should be the law of the land?
3) As I said in an earlier post, every child in this world should be a wanted child. The decision when and whether to have a child should rest with the person who will carry the embryo and fetus in her body for nine-plus months. Having a child is an awesome responsibility that should not be taken lightly. Who the hell are you, sir, to tell a woman what to do with her own body just to fit your version of morality? And really, you have watched Silent Scream way too many times. A fetus has no way of feeling pain unless it has a functioning nervous system.
4) Your two-victim argument works only if you define life as beginning at conception. Again, we are back to religion. You are willing to sacrifice the emotional wellbeing of a fully actualized woman for the sake of your sense of morality.
~ blackrobe
Blackrobe - An Honest Appeal
Blackrobe –
In all of my encounters with you on this blog, I’ve come away with one conclusion. You are an excellent debater – with yourself, that is. Your reading and comprehension skills seem to leave much to be desired. Did you read a single word that I wrote in response to you, or are you so threatened by someone else’s point of view that you refuse to go through the exercise of actually addressing their arguments? You are fantastic in tearing apart your pre-conceived, stereotypical notion of what a conservative Republican thinks and says. However, when presented with conservative views that perhaps don’t fall within the realm of your cut-and-paste “rapid response” liberal talking points, you fall drastically short of credibility.
You (and other liberal bloggers, unfortunately) seem intent on adopting Bristol Palin’s pregnancy as a political weapon. You apparently have no intention of heeding the calls of even your own Democratic nominee that families of candidates, especially children, are off limits. It’s a sad critique of the current state of the “blogosphere”. It’s not right when either side engages in this kind of behavior, but as I’ve said previously, Governor Palin’s selection seems to have awoken some sort of visceral evil (sorry – I honestly couldn’t think of another term to use) in the hard left. If you oppose the woman on her merits, great. Let’s have that debate. We welcome it. What we don’t welcome is using a 17 year-old girl and her infant brother as weapons against their mother. It is precisely those kind of sick, twisted tactics that cause the general public to lose all faith in the political system to begin with.
Now, on your abortion response, in anyone is performing a political tap dance, it’s you, my friend. You claimed in your earlier response that pro-lifers were driven by religion, not science. When I presented scientific arguments (which are indeed widely accepted – the fetus feeling pain, earlier premature survival rates, etc.), you tossed the argument back to religion quicker than a salsa spin. Which one is it, Blackrobe? Is abortion a religious or scientific issue? If you wish to maintain any sort of credibility, you really shouldn’t pick and chose sides on this issue based upon what you feel makes you sound more intelligent. If you’re in the scientific camp, advancements in technology have indeed carved a huge dent in the “clump of cells” propaganda we’ve heard so much about from the “choice” lobby. If it’s purely religious, I can’t think of a mainstream religion in the world that endorses abortion on demand.
Now, I’m expecting yet another cookie-cutter liberal response from you, Blackrobe, but I’m hoping to be pleasantly surprised. Maybe I won’t read yet another rant against “evangelical Christians” and fear-mongering about the imposition of “morality” on you. Maybe I’ll be spared the wisecracks about “walking wombs” and the snickering about the “Silent Scream”. Maybe you’ll actually read what I wrote here and not imagine you’re responding to what you wish I had said. Maybe, just maybe, you’ll put a little work into the next one.